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		<title>Comment on Why say no to the code by Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t university students know that freedoms under the charter are only in relation to citizen-government interaction. Certainly you can&#039;t imagine that such things exist in the private sector, which includes universities. Keep the arguments relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t university students know that freedoms under the charter are only in relation to citizen-government interaction. Certainly you can&#8217;t imagine that such things exist in the private sector, which includes universities. Keep the arguments relevant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why say no to the code by Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing that a group of greasy hippies from Social Sciences think they speak for all students. 

Meanwhile those at in Science, Law, Medicine, Engineering, and Telfer shrug and realize that we&#039;ll all be paying for you for the next 30 years.

&quot;The students, united.  We&#039;ll not be divived....&quot; except when only 2% of us show up for a protest.  Then I guess we&#039;ll be divided.  Sort of.  You know, the majority doesn&#039;t care.  But we have the magaphones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing that a group of greasy hippies from Social Sciences think they speak for all students. </p>
<p>Meanwhile those at in Science, Law, Medicine, Engineering, and Telfer shrug and realize that we&#8217;ll all be paying for you for the next 30 years.</p>
<p>&#8220;The students, united.  We&#8217;ll not be divived&#8230;.&#8221; except when only 2% of us show up for a protest.  Then I guess we&#8217;ll be divided.  Sort of.  You know, the majority doesn&#8217;t care.  But we have the magaphones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on gillespatry.ca by segjulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>segjulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oubliez pas de mettre ça à jour au cours de l&#039;été! 
Don&#039;t forget to update it throughout the summer!</description>
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Don&#8217;t forget to update it throughout the summer!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why say no to the code by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in favour of a code of conduct for the university. Lots of students use the line &quot;we&#039;re the customer, so we should make the rules&quot;. That&#039;s bs. the Provincial Government pays 5 times what we do to make the University available, and so IT should and does make the rules. Also, I&#039;m sick and tired of the SFUO that thinks its job is to go and protest anything and everything that happens on campus. I couldn&#039;t believe that they gave a &quot;free&quot; barbecue to people that protested the code, because that was actually my money. There was a miserable turnout of about 30 people, all there for the food. The SFUO shouldn&#039;t be allowed to use my money to support their own sytematic protests of anything said or done by the university administration.

There&#039;s been plenty of scandals on campus in the past few years, ranging from financial scams where student societies pocketed money they were responsible for, to absolutely disgusting and degrading newspaper columns. The university right now has no power to moderate these crimes short of filing a costly lawsuit against the (broke) students involved in these scandals. Introducing a code of conduct will hopefully slightly decrease the amount of irresponsible students on campus, and increase the amount of mature adults, because it gives the university the right to kick students out for tarnishing the reputation of the university, be it through financial crimes, or literary ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in favour of a code of conduct for the university. Lots of students use the line &#8220;we&#8217;re the customer, so we should make the rules&#8221;. That&#8217;s bs. the Provincial Government pays 5 times what we do to make the University available, and so IT should and does make the rules. Also, I&#8217;m sick and tired of the SFUO that thinks its job is to go and protest anything and everything that happens on campus. I couldn&#8217;t believe that they gave a &#8220;free&#8221; barbecue to people that protested the code, because that was actually my money. There was a miserable turnout of about 30 people, all there for the food. The SFUO shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to use my money to support their own sytematic protests of anything said or done by the university administration.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been plenty of scandals on campus in the past few years, ranging from financial scams where student societies pocketed money they were responsible for, to absolutely disgusting and degrading newspaper columns. The university right now has no power to moderate these crimes short of filing a costly lawsuit against the (broke) students involved in these scandals. Introducing a code of conduct will hopefully slightly decrease the amount of irresponsible students on campus, and increase the amount of mature adults, because it gives the university the right to kick students out for tarnishing the reputation of the university, be it through financial crimes, or literary ones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pourquoi dire non au code by Antoine Maalouf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antoine Maalouf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone prepare an alternative code to present to the university? 
our position will be much stronger if we don&#039;t only oppose this code but also to present with an alternative one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone prepare an alternative code to present to the university?<br />
our position will be much stronger if we don&#8217;t only oppose this code but also to present with an alternative one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contactez-nous pour vous impliquer / Contact us to get involved by student</title>
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		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are idiots!!! represent the students instead of trying to always fight the system... bunch of hippies</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why say no to the code by dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are up shit creek.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why say no to the code by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is here to protect us&quot;? &quot;Who cares&quot;? &quot;It seems to be way more about vandalism and physical threats than &#039;limiting your right to free speech&#039;&quot;? These replies speak volumes about the level of education in Canada regarding civil liberties.

Limiting freedom of expression is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which applies EVERYWHERE in Canada (even on private property). The Code, effectively, limits our freedom of expression when it prohibits us from disrupting University &#039;activity&#039;. Should we, as responsible students and adults, who wish to point out the moral deviations of our University--such as the Burmese blood money donated by Paul Desmarais to build his building--be forced to suffer sanctions for doing so? If this Code is allowed to be enacted, &#039;damaging the reputation of the University&#039; will be more of a grave offence on campus than any of the institutional pathologies which currently flourish.

Many of the &#039;offenses&#039; that are included in this Code may seem reasonable to most: i.e. harassing or threatening others, defacing, stealing or damaging books etc. However, these are already covered by existing regulations. The inclusion of these &#039;offenses&#039; is a mere legitimizing device used by the drafters of the Code to encourage us to accept it. After all, who would want to go against a piece of legislation wholesale if it includes reasonable clauses, such as sanctioning those that threaten to physically harm others?

The fact that clarification of the MANY vagaries in the Disruption clause is left to the University should be even more disturbing. This unilateralism should not be tolerated. This is an institution of learning, not a prison or garrison. What guarantee am I given that I will not be sanctioned if my research &#039;damages the reputation of the University?&#039; If this is the case, then the University will succeed at subverting academic freedom, long cherished in academia for promoting free thinking and inquiry for students and teachers alike. This will be quashed, first through discipline deriving from fear of sanction, then through internalization of the norms embedded in the Code. Normation through the Code will lead to normalization of the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is here to protect us&#8221;? &#8220;Who cares&#8221;? &#8220;It seems to be way more about vandalism and physical threats than &#8216;limiting your right to free speech&#8217;&#8221;? These replies speak volumes about the level of education in Canada regarding civil liberties.</p>
<p>Limiting freedom of expression is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which applies EVERYWHERE in Canada (even on private property). The Code, effectively, limits our freedom of expression when it prohibits us from disrupting University &#8216;activity&#8217;. Should we, as responsible students and adults, who wish to point out the moral deviations of our University&#8211;such as the Burmese blood money donated by Paul Desmarais to build his building&#8211;be forced to suffer sanctions for doing so? If this Code is allowed to be enacted, &#8216;damaging the reputation of the University&#8217; will be more of a grave offence on campus than any of the institutional pathologies which currently flourish.</p>
<p>Many of the &#8216;offenses&#8217; that are included in this Code may seem reasonable to most: i.e. harassing or threatening others, defacing, stealing or damaging books etc. However, these are already covered by existing regulations. The inclusion of these &#8216;offenses&#8217; is a mere legitimizing device used by the drafters of the Code to encourage us to accept it. After all, who would want to go against a piece of legislation wholesale if it includes reasonable clauses, such as sanctioning those that threaten to physically harm others?</p>
<p>The fact that clarification of the MANY vagaries in the Disruption clause is left to the University should be even more disturbing. This unilateralism should not be tolerated. This is an institution of learning, not a prison or garrison. What guarantee am I given that I will not be sanctioned if my research &#8216;damages the reputation of the University?&#8217; If this is the case, then the University will succeed at subverting academic freedom, long cherished in academia for promoting free thinking and inquiry for students and teachers alike. This will be quashed, first through discipline deriving from fear of sanction, then through internalization of the norms embedded in the Code. Normation through the Code will lead to normalization of the students.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pourquoi dire non au code by Serge Miville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serge Miville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La cause est plus importante que la publicité d&#039;une tierce partie. Il faut parler contre le code. Il faut oser, sinon nous avons tout à perdre.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why say no to the code by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this code would only make sense if an equal code was drafted in regards to the conduct of the Ottawa U staff, especially regarding professors.  I&#039;m here to learn and don&#039;t intend to be causing any trouble at the University, but none the less, I ran into some issues with my professor last semester.  Not only did my professor arbitrarily lower my grade, once he found out that I had gotten more than he expected me to get, but he actually tried to intimidate me by threatening to lower my grade even more if I did anything about it.  What code did I have to fall back on in this case?  Could I use the definition of a &quot;weapon&quot; for his computer, since he used it to intimidate me through e-mail?  I can&#039;t do anything about this, since professors can go back on there word and do whatever they like.  Oh that&#039;s right, we can appeal,but, what&#039;s stopping him from taking off marks he had originally agreed to give?  Think about it, if I&#039;m a professor, and I don&#039;t like someone.  What&#039;s stopping me from grading them extremely harshly, or intimidating them?  There are allot of instances that occur in an academic setting which leaves student&#039;s vulnerable to unjust treatments, with very little rights defending them. Although most professors are not out to get you, the fact that this code has been drafted for students, giving the school even more liberties than they already have is outrageous.  I don&#039;t remember anyone disrupting my studies the whole time I&#039;ve been here, and I don&#039;t remember anyone attacking someone while the school just stood by with no options to punish the student.  This code is useless, other than to give the University more rights to screw over paying students if they deem it necessary.  Until a code is drafted for University staff, I will forever see this type of behavior as that of an oppressive regime trying to maintain it&#039;s power over it&#039;s people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this code would only make sense if an equal code was drafted in regards to the conduct of the Ottawa U staff, especially regarding professors.  I&#8217;m here to learn and don&#8217;t intend to be causing any trouble at the University, but none the less, I ran into some issues with my professor last semester.  Not only did my professor arbitrarily lower my grade, once he found out that I had gotten more than he expected me to get, but he actually tried to intimidate me by threatening to lower my grade even more if I did anything about it.  What code did I have to fall back on in this case?  Could I use the definition of a &#8220;weapon&#8221; for his computer, since he used it to intimidate me through e-mail?  I can&#8217;t do anything about this, since professors can go back on there word and do whatever they like.  Oh that&#8217;s right, we can appeal,but, what&#8217;s stopping him from taking off marks he had originally agreed to give?  Think about it, if I&#8217;m a professor, and I don&#8217;t like someone.  What&#8217;s stopping me from grading them extremely harshly, or intimidating them?  There are allot of instances that occur in an academic setting which leaves student&#8217;s vulnerable to unjust treatments, with very little rights defending them. Although most professors are not out to get you, the fact that this code has been drafted for students, giving the school even more liberties than they already have is outrageous.  I don&#8217;t remember anyone disrupting my studies the whole time I&#8217;ve been here, and I don&#8217;t remember anyone attacking someone while the school just stood by with no options to punish the student.  This code is useless, other than to give the University more rights to screw over paying students if they deem it necessary.  Until a code is drafted for University staff, I will forever see this type of behavior as that of an oppressive regime trying to maintain it&#8217;s power over it&#8217;s people.</p>
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